Kind of a joke.

Wonder where Willie Mack ends up.

I have a feeling that there is a lot more to Muschamp's deal at UTx than has been made public.

And given fan expectations and the fish bowl their coach lives in, the Tennessee job may be "that bad".

He isn't just an assistant coach.

oh, sorry. What is he?

The guy on the poster that hangs on the ceiling above GDUs bed?

It's hard to hire an assistant when they all leave to go to USC with the head coach.

Actually on the ceiling above his bed.

DC and head coach in waiting at a top 3 program.

I think he was talking about Muschamp.

IOW....an assistant.

LOL. So he is The Assistant To The Regional Manager?

Just curious....is this "head coach in waiting" business written into his contract?

Yes. he signed it the same day Mack signed his big one recently. His salary gets bumped to 2.1 I think if he is not HC by 2012. (I could be wrong on numbers/years, but it is in the contract).

if you like to describe things by their lowest common denominator when there is other information that would be more relevant, then sure...

Obama is just a citizen too.

Don't take this as gospel, but I had heard that for every year that Muschamp has to wait to be head coach, his eventual salary when he does become head coach goes up something like $250,000.

Hack Brown is paid 5 million a year and he is only 59, it will be 10+ years before he steps down. Muschamp is going to waste some of the best years of his coaching life waiting for Mack to step down, sooner or later the hunger to run his own program will drive him away.

no chance Mack coaches for "10+ years before he steps down."

Muschamp is still very young. More importantly, I'm sure he has a MUCH better idea of Mack's timetable than we do and was comfortable enough with it to sign a new contract when Mack signed his.

Maybe he does leave for a lesser program, but he isn't going to have to wait 10+ years at Texas.

So Mack gets an extension through 2016 but Muschamp gets bumped to $2.1M if he's not the HC in 2 years??? Interesting.

What percentage of coaches coach all the way through the last extension they sign?

RSF,

why did you delete your post?

because frostie made the exact same point 1st.

I have not the foggiest idea but find it odd that Mack would sign a 6 year extension and Muschamp expect to be the coach in 2 years.

So you think Mack will coach for 10+ more years at Texas?

One of Royal's assistants (Campbell, and I can't recall his first name) wiled his career away waiting for Coach Royal to retire. When that day came, the powers-that-be passed him over, "too old."

That being said, Coach Brown looks 55 going on 75. Despite all the fun we make of him (he is, after all, fair game on this board), from all appearances he does work very hard, and very long hours. And he internalizes the pressure that comes with his job. My guess is he retires in 2 - 3 years.

Why? The talk is that Mack will become an AD.

And maybe Mack isn't exactly sure when he will retire. Maybe it is 2 years. Maybe it is 6. But if he doesn't know, why only sign a 2 year contract?

Agreed. I think, at most, he coaches through the GG years then retires. I think he would have thought long and hard about it this year had Texas beat Alabama.

Then why even have a contract at all?

I love your reply, you are stating no chance Mack coaches for 10+ years as if you are a friend of the program and have some special insight into the situation which you do not. Mack has it pretty good, the best recruits want to come to UT, so unlike TCU you don't have to sell real hard. Also, Mack knows he is not an innovative coach so he has set himself up with some pretty good coordinators. So while the brain trust is trying to figure out the schemes of the next opponent, Mack is out playing the back nine and making 5 million a year. No way he walks away from that gig anytime soon, all Mack has to do is stand on the sidelines with his hands on his knees with a focused look on his face and convince everyone he knows what is going.

So the "coach in waiting"(two birds in the bush) is better than the head coaching job at Tennessee(a bird in the hand)? Just saying, the head coaching job at Tennessee does not seem to be what some may of thought it was/is.

As far as I can tell, coaching contracts serve only 2 purposes. #1 it outlines the coach's compensation package, #2 it gives the appearance to High School recruits that the coach will be at the program for the duration of that recruit's career (which is why most contracts are around 5 years).

If fact, it is commonly known around town here in Austin that Mack puts in the hours that most successful college head coaches do.

He sold a Lake Travis house and moved into a downtown condo to cut his commuting time-- transactions made the real estate section of the newspaper because both are so lavish.

I met a gentleman that was installing a very high dollar salt-water aquarium in a friend's home, and he mentioned that he maintained a similar setup in Mack's condo. Asked if Mack spent time with his aquarium, he said "I don't think he realizes it's there".

to help with recruiting for one. And to make sure you are getting top quality leaders since every other school does it (same reason CEOs on wallstreet make so much).

I don't bet, but I will bet you anything you want that Mack does not coach Texas for 10+ more years. You have obviously never met Mack. Regardless of how little credit you and everyone else here gives him, he isn't "out playing the back nine and making 5 million a year" instead of caoching. Have you ever met a successful football coach who did that?

If getting out of the hard part were what he was worried about, he could do speaking tours, serve as a consultant, run for office, or become the AD and make plenty of money.

When the job is Texas, I think so. Better facilities, better recuiting base, better pay, better city to live in, richer boosters who don't have to control verything like SEC boosters, no potential recuiting violation punishments on the horizon, easier path to the BCS and NCG, wife likes the city.

Sigh.

Another gdu / UT beatdown.

Mack would have resigned he Texas had won the BCS title over Bama. He wants one more.

Now, can we please create that Texas Whorns Forum and put this and all of gdu's posts there?

The over/under on the number of posts GDU will make in this thread has been set at 32, he's at 14 now.

I am taking OVER.

I'm going to go with the under, on the theory that he gets distracted by the Dan Buckner arrest thread.

Finally something that makes sense. He is like the Troll that lives under the stairs. We don't treat him like a real troll but he is worse than all others because he never leaves. It is like he is on mission to get to 10000 posts by the end of March.

Must say he has incredible reflexes judging by his response times. Probably could be a good 3rd baseman.

and yet another one where I didn't bring Texas up.

Why didn't you respond to the post in the other thread?

Really?!? You were about the third or fourth post and came rushing to Muschamp's defense.

maybe you don't know what bringing up Texas means. Someone else brought something related to Texas up. I responded. I didn't start a thread about Muschamp staying or leaving. There is a big difference.

Exactly. You are apparently physically, emotionally or mentally incapable of avoiding any thread where UT is involved and beating it into the ground. And the only person who doesn't see that is you.






A modicum of self-control that you do not possess. But that strictly a theory at this juncture.




I'm retracting my 'under' bet......

You are such a beating.

No I never met Mack, not sure what that has to do with anything, but okay. I will now bow before you if you actually touched his hand. I did live in Austin for 6 + years, most of my co-workers were UT fans and they did not have anywhere near your level of man love for Mack. In fact until Vince came along most of them wanted him fired. It was also painful having to endure him on the Austin nightly news for those six years, he came across as a whiny little female dog, instead of the HC of a top three Football program. Btw, Academy just put some reversible TCU|UT hoodies out, better hurry.

Did I respond in the arrest thread?


He asked me a direct question and I answered it. I asked him the same direct question and he didn't. Unlike the posts insulting my fiance, that is not an instance where self-control would be a virtue.

You don't have to respond every time UT is mentioned.

How difficult is that?

And I don't read every single post...not sure which post you are referencing.

P.S. -- Feisty, I think the over is a sure thing...sorry, RSF.

When have I ever pronounced any sort of love for Mack? All I said was that he wasn't going to coach Texas for 10+ more years since you said he would. Don't project things onto me bc you don't have a clue what you are talking about. And good job with the TCU/UT thing. Bringing that up shows the complete lack of merit in your argument.

I don't respond every time is UT mentioned.

You asked why I didn't come chat with you at the frog amublance at the fiesta bowl and said I should want to since you are on kfc. I said I had no idea who you were and if anyone in the parking lot was on kfc and asked why you didn't start a conversation with me since you clearly recognized me.