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[cdsfrog]

West Coast Johnny, on 14 May 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

Exactly!  If Skye catches that ball, we move the chains and have the ball deep in LaTech territory on the opening drive.  If we score at the end of that possession, the rest of the game could be much different.  Skye was named MVP of that game - SMH.

Just curious, who would have you named MVP? No defensive player allowed solely based on points given up.

[Jake102]

cdsfrog, on 14 May 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Just curious, who would have you named MVP? No defensive player allowed solely based on points given up.

Probably Pachall. He wasn't great, but was pretty clutch.

[Mistletoad]

West Coast Johnny, on 14 May 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

Exactly!  If Skye catches that ball, we move the chains and have the ball deep in LaTech territory on the opening drive.  If we score at the end of that possession, the rest of the game could be much different.  Skye was named MVP of that game - SMH.

Plus there was the BYU game, that an earlier poster bought up(didn't recall myself) that Skye dropped, a 75 yarder wideopen thing... which could have made that game much more comfortable, too. Wished he focused more on FB than track(verticle) ... making gains with hands and working on lateral techniques and of course strengthing.

Cheers !

[PurplePutt]

Mistletoad, on 14 May 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

Plus there was the BYU game, that an earlier poster bought up(didn't recall myself) that Skye dropped, a 75 yarder wideopen thing... which could have made that game much more comfortable, too. Wished he focused more on FB than track(verticle) ... making gains with hands and working on lateral techniques and of course strengthing.

Cheers !

Skye was a track guy in HS that played FB.  Had no offers but blazing speed.  TCU took him and he has really done well, IMO.  Sure he dropped some.  Most do.  Remember the long ball he caught vs Oregon State in Jerry's world.  That turned into a TD and it was a great catch.  He has done ok in my book.

[cdsfrog]

PurplePutt, on 14 May 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Skye was a track guy in HS that played FB.  Had no offers but blazing speed.  TCU took him and he has really done well, IMO.  Sure he dropped some.  Most do.  Remember the long ball he caught vs Oregon State in Jerry's world.  That turned into a TD and it was a great catch.  He has done ok in my book.

Agreed, he wouldn't have developed near as well elsewhere

[West Coast Johnny]

cdsfrog, on 14 May 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Just curious, who would have you named MVP? No defensive player allowed solely based on points given up.

cdsfrog, on 14 May 2012 - 08:58 AM, said:

Just curious, who would have you named MVP? No defensive player allowed solely based on points given up.

A pathetic team performance deserves a pathetic answer - I'd give it to Anston Kelton - 5 punts - 44 yards average.

[cdsfrog]

West Coast Johnny, on 14 May 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

A pathetic team performance deserves a pathetic answer - I'd give it to Anston Kelton - 5 punts - 44 yards average.

Ouch did you end up going to the game that was 45 min away from you?

[West Coast Johnny]

cdsfrog, on 14 May 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

Ouch did you end up going to the game that was 45 min away from you?

Yes I did. Gee you have a good memory.

[cdsfrog]

West Coast Johnny, on 14 May 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

Yes I did. Gee you have a good memory.

Yes I do mostly for trivial crap. Wish it was more useful, sadly it's not :(

[Mistletoad]

PurplePutt, on 14 May 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Skye was a track guy in HS that played FB.  Had no offers but blazing speed.  TCU took him and he has really done well, IMO.  Sure he dropped some.  Most do.  Remember the long ball he caught vs Oregon State in Jerry's world.  That turned into a TD and it was a great catch.  He has done Ok in my book.

Believe most everyone feels he's done 'ok'. And if he would have dropped the OSU one... then most likely he's not even a thread topic, as we could have lost that one. The biggest Red Herring in my books on him is of the top 5 wideouts returning, the other 4 WRs averaged 4 or more ypc than Skye... and 3 of the 4 were HS-FR.

So, am thinking along with Jake ... that his most value spot is out wide as a decoy, taking the attention of a CB and distracting a Saftey too, which gives the other 3 recievers more freedom. We only have to throw it to him a couple of times a game to get quality value out of him.

Most probably at least 1 of the 2, 2012 HS-FR WRs(counting Gilbert as WR), will make the 8 WR rotation. It fits into CGP's recruiting... that you'll be given a chance to play as a HS-FR if you're mature enough.  

Cheers !

[4th. down]

If dawson can learn the double move like Carter does on the deep vertical.....................it will be "look out chicken the hawk's out." Casey has the gun, just needs the target.

[Jake102]

4th. down, on 14 May 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

If dawson can learn the double move like Carter does on the deep vertical.....................it will be "look out chicken the hawk's out." Casey has the gun, just needs the target.

I'm convinced the 25 yard deep in route is the way to go. Pachall has the arm for it, Dalton didn't, but Pachall can hit that throw.

[4th. down]

Jake102, on 14 May 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

I'm convinced the 25 yard deep in route is the way to go. Pachall has the arm for it, Dalton didn't, but Pachall can hit that throw.

Absolutely, and is money in the bank if they open it up for him. Believe they will this season, we may need to avg. in conf. play about 45 pts./game to scare the pee out of the likes of Texas, OU, etc. and we can do it with this group of receivers and the biggest offensive line we have had since the Big Uglies. Sanders may be the find out the spring - gives Casey a good big back to block for him on those deep verticals.

[Mistletoad]

4th. down, on 14 May 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Absolutely, and is money in the bank if they open it up for him. Believe they will this season, we may need to avg. in conf. play about 45 pts./game to scare the pee out of the likes of Texas, OU, etc. and we can do it with this group of receivers and the biggest offensive line we have had since the Big Uglies. Sanders may be the find out the spring - gives Casey a good big back to block for him on those deep verticals.

Missed the thread or article on Sanders was switched to FB ... interesting if not brilliant. Thought Dean was probably going there... same size. Hmmm... totally missed that one.

Cheers !

[Mistletoad]

4th. down, on 14 May 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

Absolutely, and is money in the bank if they open it up for him. Believe they will this season, we may need to avg. in conf. play about 45 pts./game to scare the pee out of the likes of Texas, OU, etc. and we can do it with this group of receivers and the biggest offensive line we have had since the Big Uglies. Sanders may be the find out the spring - gives Casey a good big back to block for him on those deep verticals.

Realistically feeling that the D is more mature and more experienced than the start of 2011. If thats the case and with a solid and exciting offense... thenn if we hold most all teams to a max of 1 score per Qtr average.. we'll be OK. Probably won't average more than 35 p/game and 30 will suffice most games.

Only one team scored more than TCU against the 10-3 Baylor last year... and we only had 9 starters on the whole team, in it's 1st game and on the road. Our offense could/should be better than 2011, as we have more returning starter and depth experience. That doesn't mean we'll average more points against the B12 than last years MWC, but like our chances if the OL comes through again.

Cheers !

[Mistletoad]

4th. down, on 14 May 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

If dawson can learn the double move like Carter does on the deep vertical.....................it will be "look out chicken the hawk's out." Casey has the gun, just needs the target.

Totally agree... but after 3 years, the staff have not been able to teach it to him. Of course, you can't teach instincts... But by now you'd think he would say, maybe I should work harder on my route technique and skills

Cheers !

[2themax]

IMO Skye's speed alone will be nightmarish to any db or dc that TCU will face. Of course we want the big play to work perfectly every time, but with him running loose 5 yds ahead of the closest db, that alone will cause secondaries to shift. One long ball catch early in the season and occasionally during the rest will cause lots of problems for Big 12 defenses. Most DC's don't like their players out of position whether it was caught or dropped.

[neutral observer]

Put them all in!  Just keep substituting these guys in and out!  The defense will be gasping for air by the 3rd quarter.

[Mistletoad]

2themax, on 14 May 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

IMO Skye's speed alone will be nightmarish to any db or dc that TCU will face. Of course we want the big play to work perfectly every time, but with him running loose 5 yds ahead of the closest db, that alone will cause secondaries to shift. One long ball catch early in the season and occasionally during the rest will cause lots of problems for Big 12 defenses. Most DC's don't like their players out of position whether it was caught or dropped.

Good Take... and why was Skyes YPC well below the other top 4 returning WRs, at 11.1, and the others at 15ypc or greater... with 3 of those 4 WRs HS-FR last year. The point is, one poster says you can knock him down with a feather, and I've personally never(not saying he hasn't) seen him juke or get by(with the ball) a db who was in front of him... telling me his 1st few steps are no quicker than most any other DB's.

Many agree that Skye's highest use or value, is several deep Down and In patterns, with a couple of throws when open... and that alone, is more value than using him in shorter patterns where he has to work for the yardage, after catch. Yes, his deep routes will create concern for the corner, partially distracting the saftey on his side of the field too... allowing the other recievers to roam much more freely in the secondary. Hope that's what we see.

Cheers !

[SwissArmyFrog]

I don't know...  We've had Dawson for, what, 3 years, and his speed hasn't been nightmarish to opposiing defenses that I've noticed.  Maybe my powers of perception are off.

Something I find funny is that every 'TCU football preview/discussion' I hear done on TV, they always mention that the Frogs are going to be strong at receiver with Josh Boyce and the blazing fast Skye Dawson...  Right there I know that they don't really know a whole lot, they just see a returning reciever that has great speed and play it up.

I remember in the bowl game, Pachall threw from deep in their own territory to Dawson who, had he caught it, likely would have scored.  Ball went right through his hands.  Great catch against OSU.  To my memory, whenever Skye Dawson gets his hands on the ball, the vast majority of time nothing very eventful happens.

I'm not saying Dawson is *bad* for the team - he's not.  I see him as a mediocre player that has unrealized upside, and who gets more good press than has truly been earned.