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#1 EdKamen

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 09:37 AM

THE DEFENSE



Let's start with the D. Many people may think that TCU has only had outstanding defenses after Gary Patterson arrived. WRONG. TCU has primarily been a defense-first team throughout its history. Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Brien? Great defenders. Think the Frogs had lousy players when they were losing a lot in the '70s and '80s? Actually, they had some great players, especially on defense. They just didn't have enough of them.



DEFENSIVE TACKLES/NOSE TACKLES



TCU may not be as noted for its defensive tackles as it is for sacking ends, tackle-machine linebackers and hard-hitting safeties, but having perhaps the greatest defensive tackle of all time among your ranks ain't bad.



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1 Bob Lilly ('61): It's appropriate to start with TCU's greatest defensive player -- the ferocious, bear-pawed College Football Hall-of-Famer from Throckmorton. The 1960 All-American was the heart and soul of Coach Abe Martin's two Southwest Conference championship teams in 1958 and 1959. (The Frogs finished ranked No.10 and No. 7, respectively, in those seasons.) Martin called him "the greatest tackle I ever coached." Twice All-SWC and the 1960 Rogers Trophy winner as TCU MVP, he was known for "mayhem in the trenches," as Dan Jenkins once put it. He went on to a Pro Football Hall-of-Fame career with the Dallas Cowboys as their first-ever draft choice.



2 Don Floyd ('60): One of the last great two-way players for TCU (he was also an outstanding offensive tackle), Floyd was a wiry, two-time All-American consensus in 1959 -- and team captain, crouching side-by-side with Lilly on two of the best defensive fronts in Southwest Conference history (1958 and 1959). After dominating No. 2 Texas, 14-9, two weeks earlier and with the 1959 conference title on the line, Floyd and Lilly smothered QB Don Meredith and SMU's vaunted spread offense in a 19-0 whitewashing. Nice, huh? The 6-3, 220-pound Floyd then went on to play defensive end for eight seasons for the old Houston Oilers and is in the AFL Hall of Fame.



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3 I.B. Hale ('39):
Insall Bailey Hale teamed with LB Ki Aldrich to form the backbone of TCU's stingy defense the original "Purple People Eaters" -- during its national championship season of 1938. At 6-2, 245 (huge by today's standards), the two-time All-American from Dallas was, oh yeah, considered one of the best offensive tackles of his era, too.



4 Darrell Palmer ('43): Big No. 71 was a standout two-way player for TCU -- he was also one of the best offensive linemen of his generation. A 1942 All-American and two-time, All-Southwest Conference selection, the Frogs were 14-6-1 during those two seasons, finishing second in the SWC in '41 and third in '42. But they included two of the great upsets in TCU history a 14-7 stunner over top-ranked Texas in 1941 and a 7-6 victory over Rose Bowl-bound No. 13 UCLA in '42. Palmer was the defensive star in both.



5 Norman Hamilton ('57): Known as "The Animal" by teammates, for obvious reasons, he was an All-American in 1956. Not big by defensive lineman standards but quick as a cat side-to-side, he is best known for his outstanding Cotton Bowl in 1957, when he relentlessly bullied the legendary Jim Brown (who still had a great game) all afternoon "The Animal" had nine tackles that day -- in a dramatic 28-27 victory over Syracuse. He was also All-SWC in '55 and '56.



6 Shawn Worthen ('01): Defensive coordinator Gary Patterson's first standout DT, he was a two-time, All-WAC selection and a third-team All-American as a senior. He starred on two TCU co-conference champs, including the 2000 squad, which led the nation in total defense for the first time in school history. He totaled 132 tackles and 7.5 sacks in his career. And, man oh man, he was hard to move out of the middle.



7 Clyde Flowers ('45): TCU's star during the war years, he was a 1944 All-American and two-time All-SWC pick at right tackle (playing both ways, of course) for Leo "Dutch" Meyer, despite being blind in one eye from a childhood accident. He was also a two-year team captain and team MVP in 1943. In 1944, the war-depleted Frogs started seven freshmen and two seniors, including Flowers. They won the SWC.



8 Chad Pugh ('04): Three-times All-Conference USA ('01, '02 and '03) at nose tackle, he was a massive, yet quick tackler (he finished with 126 tackles and 11 sacks) and an astounding block swallower, paving the way for LB LaMarcus McDonald and DE Bo Schobel to finish off ballcarrier after ballcarrier.



9 Royal West ('95): Besides having one of the coolest names among TCU lettermen, the Winona native was All-SWC for Pat Sullivan in '93 and again '94 the last time the Frogs grabbed a piece of an SWC title. The 275-pounder won the 1993 Rogers Trophy as TCU MVP. His 22 career sacks (he held the school record when he was done) are fifth all time the only defensive tackle in the top ten.



10 John McClean ('82): Abilene's McClean was an Academic All-American in 1980 (one of just 13 in TCU history) and one of the few defensive bright spots during the Dry Period. In his three seasons as a starter, the Horned Frogs were OMG 5-25-3, but he was the defensive star in one of TCU's biggest victories ever the Frogs' come-from-behind 28-24 upset of Lou Holtz and unbeaten No. 19 Arkansas in 1981.



Honorable Mention Marshall Harris ('54), Charlie Davis ('74), Fred Washington ('90), Kent Trammel ('88), Cody Moore ('09), Mitchell Benson ('89), Johnny Vaught ('33), Cory Grant ('11)



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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:23 AM

How can you not have Fred Washington??? Top 5 easily.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:28 AM

REALLY like you are doing this, ed.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:19 PM

Fred Washington was a great player and a great guy.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 01:31 PM

I remember Norman Hamilton well and my best memory is of a famous line that Blackie Sherrod (tabloid Fort Worth Press) penned in describing Hamilton after the Frog-Aggie game at stormy Kyle Field in 1956. "He stood raging and rock like in face of storm and foe". Bear Bryant's Junction Boys took the Frogs 7-6 in a controversial victory in the midst of violent second half tornado-like storm.
The Aggies ended up on probation and the Frogs met Syracuse and Jim Brown in the Cotton Bowl. He had played a year earlier vs. Ole Miss in the Cotton. Hamilton was built like a fire plug and was all over offenses. Meanwhile, in those one-platoon days he played offensive guard. Believe he later played a bit of Canadian ball and was a small town boy from Vanderbilt (Industrial) near Victoria. Truly a great Frog player of the 1950's one platoon era.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 03:01 PM

How can you not have Fred Washington??? Top 5 easily.


Double D, I appreciate the shout-out to Fred Washington! Although, honestly, the only player I would rank him above is McClean -- but I saw EVERY game he played and felt he was drastically underrated. As for honorable mention, I'm sure there are some younger fans who are wondering where James Vess and Kelly Griffin are, as well, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere.

The people I talked to barely mentioned Washington, although he was a very good player, obviously. Thank you for remembering him! His outstanding play deserves mentioning here.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 03:16 PM

Great thread!

Go Frogs! Can't Wait For Next Year!

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 04:01 PM

Nope. He was top 5 and possibly top 2.

Double D, I appreciate the shout-out to Fred Washington! Although, honestly, the only player I would rank him above is McClean -- but I saw EVERY game he played and felt he was drastically underrated. As for honorable mention, I'm sure there are some younger fans who are wondering where James Vess and Kelly Griffin are, as well, but the line needed to be drawn somewhere.

The people I talked to barely mentioned Washington, although he was a very good player, obviously. Thank you for remembering him! His outstanding play deserves mentioning here.



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Posted 04 March 2012 - 05:04 PM

I appreciate your inclusion of Floyd,Hamilton,Palmer and Flowers. The latter two are mostly forgotten, but exceptional in every way. Anxious to see if you include Keith Flowers (brother of Clyde) at linebacker. He was a hybrid running back, but was converted to backer, and tracked down many speedy rb's. Thanks for the input.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 07:41 PM

[quote name='Double D' timestamp='1330898511' post='1079077'
Nope. He's was top 5 and possibly top 2.
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Agreed...not many better than Fred Washingron. Only one I have him behind is Lilly
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:17 PM

How can you not have Fred Washington??? Top 5 easily.

My thoughts exactly Double D. Fred was a beast. Wasn't he a first round draft choice by the Bears?

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:21 PM

32nd pick by the Bears, and was called by none other than DITKA "A coach's dream"

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 08:21 PM

If we had a DT drafted that high any time in the last 5 years he would be hailed as the greatest all time.

This is a travesty...

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 09:11 PM

I love the passion some of you have for Fred Washington.

(And that he was a classmate of yours, steelfrog.)

But the fact is, the first seven guys on that list were All-Americans. Washington was never even All-SWC, although the defensive tackle next to him -- Mitch Benson -- was. I'm not going to put Washington down, I saw him play as much as you did. He was a super player. The fact that you guys love him is the whole point of this.

Please, enjoy.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:01 PM

A TRAVESTY!

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:51 PM

I love the passion some of you have for Fred Washington.

(And that he was a classmate of yours, steelfrog.)

But the fact is, the first seven guys on that list were All-Americans. Washington was never even All-SWC, although the defensive tackle next to him -- Mitch Benson -- was. I'm not going to put Washington down, I saw him play as much as you did. He was a super player. The fact that you guys love him is the whole point of this.

Please, enjoy.


I'm not sure if you are trying to be taken seriously or simply throwing names out on a list to generate a discussion. If you are trying to be taken seriously then you really should go back and do some homework then come back and post.

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:16 PM

Ed, I've never heard of you. And I see you speaking to posters that know alot about our team like your word is supreme.

Want people to start asking you about 5 hookers? And what happened to 5 hookers in the Dallas area?

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 06:26 AM

Good stuff Ed, thanks!

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 10:45 AM

Ed, I've never heard of you. And I see you speaking to posters that know alot about our team like your word is supreme.


I never said I was an expert, but you can check one of my comments after my initial post if you want to know my "credentials." I made it clear at the beginning that everyone has their own opinion. Mine is based on my experience as a sportswriter, as a TCU student and as a lover of history. But everyone has an opinion. I wanted to share mine with all of you. I hope there are a few nuggets of information you've never heard before. Even if not, I hope you enjoy a brief trip down memory lane.

If someone else was posting lists like this and put Fred Washington ahead of I.B. Hale, Clyde Flowers or Marshall Harris at DT, I would think they didn't know much about TCU football history. It, also, wouldn't make them wrong.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 05:08 PM

Royal deserves to be ahead of Pugh...not even close.


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