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[Whisky Dude]

I myself LOVE IT when Obama talks about being a Christian. Causes quite a conundrum for a great many of his backers. You know its just GOT TO make them squirm!

I can just hear them now........." OH, its O.K, you know that Barack is only saying he is a Christian to make those crazy people that REALLY are Christians feel more at ease. We KNOW he really isnt"


But wait..........." wouldnt that make him a prolific LIAR? "


" Hmmmmmmmm What to do,...what to do...."

[pcf]

Yep! people get real uncomfortable in todays western society when they have to face the reality of morality.

Interesting turn of events isn't it. How do you suppose that came about....by accident??

I think the moral courage needed to decide to have an abortion in some cases is a lot greater than the moral courage some man needs to preach about how it is always evil.

[fnfreebird]

what does it matter if obama is christian?

For that matter apparently people don't even care if he is actually an American.

[Whisky Dude]

I think the moral courage needed to decide to have an abortion in some cases is a lot greater than the moral courage some man needs to preach about how it is always evil.

of course YOU would think that. Thats what makes YOU......YOU. Still doesnt change the fact that you are WRONG though...

[pcf]

I myself LOVE IT when Obama talks about being a Christian. Causes quite a conundrum for a great many of his backers. You know its just GOT TO make them squirm!

I can just hear them now........." OH, its O.K, you know that Barack is only saying he is a Christian to make those crazy people that REALLY are Christians feel more at ease. We KNOW he really isnt"


But wait..........." wouldnt that make him a prolific LIAR? "


" Hmmmmmmmm What to do,...what to do...."

If you are having these discussions in your head, why come here? Can you find any Obama supporters here who espouse what the voices in your head say?

I believe Obama is a Christian, but what does that mean anyway? Some of the sickest, meanest, people on earth are Christians, just like some of the kindest people are. Barack Obama is clearly a moral man who cares about his family and his fellow Americans. You don't see him going to rallies hoping some violence breaks out.

[fnfreebird]

I think the moral courage needed to decide to have an abortion in some cases is a lot greater than the moral courage some man needs to preach about how it is always evil.

For someone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ what's the difference to you between good and evil????

If it feels good or not or satisfies your opinion.

So just what do you use and a measuring stick ...since you brought up the question?

[Spike]

For that matter apparently people don't even care if he is actually an American.

racist!

[pcf]

of course YOU would think that. Thats what makes YOU......YOU. Still doesnt change the fact that you are WRONG though...

I don't think that the guy pulling the trigger is always being immoral. I don't think that the lady who receives devastating medical information about the health and viability of her child and acts in the child's best interest is being immoral either.

People have to decide. They cannot abdicate what is right to old men in Rome or blowhards looking for a political job.

[frogtwang]

Yet the teachings of Jesus are VERY clear when it comes to the mistreatment of children,....to say nothing of actually KILLING them.

Speaking of the teachings of Jesus, back when I was a kid in CCD I seem to remember being taught that one of his most important teachings was to love your neighbor as yourself.

It's funny how one can pick and choose which teachings to follow and which ones to seemingly ignore in order to support their argument or position.

[FriskyFrog]

For someone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ what's the difference to you between good and evil????

If it feels good or not or satisfies your opinion.

So just what do you use and a measuring stick ...since you brought up the question?

On what basis do you say that Pcf doesnt believe in Jesus Christ? I think you may be confusing Pcf and Duq.

[fnfreebird]

I myself LOVE IT when Obama talks about being a Christian. Causes quite a conundrum for a great many of his backers. You know its just GOT TO make them squirm!

I can just hear them now........." OH, its O.K, you know that Barack is only saying he is a Christian to make those crazy people that REALLY are Christians feel more at ease. We KNOW he really isnt"
But wait..........." wouldnt that make him a prolific LIAR? "
" Hmmmmmmmm What to do,...what to do...."

Would any 'Christian" ever consider doing this:

Christian symbols covered up during Obama's speeches at Notre Dame and Georgetown
Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, accused the university of "cowardice" for acceding to the White House, and criticized Obama's team for asking a religious school to "neuter itself" before the president made his address.

If that wasn't a tell all sign then people are simply dumber than owl ..it.

[The Uniballer]

If that wasn't a tell all sign then people are simply dumber than owl ..it.

I thought owls were generally associated with wisdom?

[Whisky Dude]

If you are having these discussions in your head, why come here? Can you find any Obama supporters here who espouse what the voices in your head say?

I believe Obama is a Christian, but what does that mean anyway? Some of the sickest, meanest, people on earth are Christians, just like some of the kindest people are. Barack Obama is clearly a moral man who cares about his family and his fellow Americans. You don't see him going to rallies hoping some violence breaks out.

Nice try. Well,...NOT REALLY...........Just saying that to make fun of you. We ALL KNOW that some of Obama's atheist supporters think/say this. Quite frankly..........I LOVE IT!

[FriskyFrog]

Nice try. Well,...NOT REALLY...........Just saying that to make fun of you. We ALL KNOW that some of Obama's atheist supporters think/say this. Quite frankly..........I LOVE IT!

I think that what Pcf said there is very articulate and true. Again, actions speak louder than words.

[fnfreebird]

racist!

Your right.
I'm an older white male patriotic conservative.

I am automatically a racists.

[FinanceFrog]

Would any 'Christian" ever consider doing this:

yes, i would cover up a christian symbol if it made others feel more welcome.

[IronSkillet]

and what...

Obama is just right for what....running for office in Venezuela in 2012?

That would certainly be an improvement for Venezuela.

So lemme get this straight...........and this is coming from someone who isnt even a big Rick Santorum fan. Mr Santorum opening talking about his faith= TOTALLY NUTS

Mr Obama voting for INFANTICIDE= Perfectly A O.K, Not a thing in the world wrong with it.

No wonder this country and world is in such turmoil. Whats right is now wrong, and whats wrong is now right.

My issue is not with Santorum being open about his faith. My issue lies with his views on the role of faith in government. Your comparison to abortion, and your opinion that it ought to be subject to a government ban on religious grounds make for a very good example of what it is I object to.

Church [] State

[Whisky Dude]

You don't see him going to rallies hoping some violence breaks out.

True,...........that limpwristed girlyman doesnt have the sack to do anything himself. He has other do it FOR HIM. But...........he has made these statement though...


"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. "Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I've seen Eagles fans."


"they hit us, we hit back twice as hard"



“I want you to get in their face.”


"I want you to argue with them and get in their face.“

[pcf]

For someone who doesn't believe in Jesus Christ what's the difference to you between good and evil????

If it feels good or not or satisfies your opinion.

So just what do you use and a measuring stick ...since you brought up the question?

I don't think cartoonish caricatures inform the debate.

Abortion is a grave matter, and I think most people in our society feel it should be discouraged as a casual action during pregnancy and that pregnancy should be entered into as a serious commitment.

I won't say there aren't mindless people out there, but I don't think that's an honest depiction of our society overall.

It really isn't important what my morality says about abortion and life. It is important that I can live up to my ideal of morality in that regard.

I think that there are cases where my sense of morality does not match the pope's or Islam's and I would like to live according to my sense of morality. That means I would rather not chop off someone's hand for theft or give birth to a baby just so it and the mother could suffer longer just out of fear of God being angry.

EDIT: I should probably add to that what is on my mind. I read a story from a mother whose child is suffering and dying with Tay Sachs. She would have had an abortion if she had known.

Could I tell this lady she doesn't have the right to follow her morality and that she has to follow mine because the Pope told me that was right? I can't.
I also couldn't tell her to have an abortion. Her ability to act on her moral beliefs is what I have to value.

[Whisky Dude]

yes, i would cover up a christian symbol if it made others feel more welcome.

But what if by you covering it up it made others feel.........unwelcome?