Jump to content


Ultrasounds Already Part of VA Planned Parenthood Abortion Procedure


  • Please log in to reply
187 replies to this topic

#161 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

I am 100% against the government forcing women to have abortions, too.


Would you be against the government focing doctors to use standard medical practice?

Full disclosure: I think am comming down on the side that I trust doctors more than government to make appropriate descisions when it comes down to this procedure, however that is not to say that I want to get in the way of a particular jurisdiction from passing whatever laws that they believe is right for their community.
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency





#162 Duquesne Frog

Duquesne Frog

    Davey O'Brien

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 33,100 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:27 AM

If a vaginal ultrasound is considered rape, what about the instruments used to perform an abortion?


Depends on whether the woman consents, no?
Worse? How can things get any worse?!?! Take a look around! We're standing at the threshold of hell!

The food you love, the time you deserve® ...

#163 FriskyFrog

FriskyFrog

    Bob Lilly

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 20,268 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisville, KY

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:28 AM

But I envision a policy where I will try with all vigor to make the potential of pregnancy scarier than Scylla and Charybdis combined, but the kids will know where dad's "secret" stash of condoms are.


Hopefully not the ones left over from your wild days. Those things have expiration dates, you know.
The sun comes up, it's a new day dawning
It's time to sing Your song again
Whatever may pass, and whatever lies before me
Let me be singing when the evening comes
--Matt Redman, 10,000 Reasons

#164 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:29 AM

Depends on whether the woman consents, no?


Is that written or oral consent?
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#165 The Uniballer

The Uniballer

    Darrell Lester

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,968 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:32 AM

I would think that patients have little choice in the matter. A doctor is going to perform the steps necessary to ensure that the procedure is safe and effective. Correct me if I am wrong but depending on the gestational age of the pregnancy depends on the abortion procedure. Certainly the violence involved in making an assessment pursuant to standard medical practice is less violent than the abortion proceedure.

The argument is that vaginal ultrasounds are not always a medically necessary procedure and that unless they are, women shouldn't be forced to have them. It'd be like the DMV requiring a prostate exam before granting you a drivers license.

#166 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:34 AM

The argument is that vaginal ultrasounds are not always a medically necessary procedure and that unless they are, women shouldn't be forced to have them. It'd be like the DMV requiring a prostate exam before granting you a drivers license.


No that is required before I do my taxes...
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#167 The Uniballer

The Uniballer

    Darrell Lester

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,968 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:34 AM

And if it is a medically necessary procedure, shouldn't that be determined by a health board of some sort and not a bunch of legislators?

#168 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

And if it is a medically necessary procedure, shouldn't that be determined by a health board of some sort and not a bunch of legislators?


Good point. Please see my disclosure above.
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#169 RSF

RSF

    Semi-Omnipotent Being

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 57,923 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:36 AM

The argument is that vaginal ultrasounds are not always a medically necessary procedure and that unless they are, women shouldn't be forced to have them. It'd be like the DMV requiring a prostate exam before granting you a drivers license.


That would certainly be a pain in the arse.....







I was going to go with a female driver joke, but apparently the medical community decided 10 years ago that women have a prostate, too.
Words to live by......an ongoing concern......
 
Vulgarity is like art - everybody thinks they know what it is, yet nobody can agree on what it is.
 
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it...no matter how off-base it is.

 

#170 FriskyFrog

FriskyFrog

    Bob Lilly

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 20,268 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisville, KY

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:36 AM

Would you be against the government focing doctors to use standard medical practice?


Since I had two kids without ever having a transvaginal ultrasound I strongly disagree that this constitutes standard practice. Putting the government between a patient and doctor making decisions is a dangerous business. I really don't get you conservatives calling for all this government regulation. The government that can shove a stick up my wahoo can also mandate abortion as a means of societal control. I work hard to teach my children that their bodies are their own sacred territory that no one else has a right to invade or disrespect.
The sun comes up, it's a new day dawning
It's time to sing Your song again
Whatever may pass, and whatever lies before me
Let me be singing when the evening comes
--Matt Redman, 10,000 Reasons

#171 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:38 AM

Since I had two kids without ever having a transvaginal ultrasound I strongly disagree that this constitutes standard practice. Putting the government between a patient and doctor making decisions is a dangerous business. I really don't get you conservatives calling for all this government regulation. The government that can shove a stick up my wahoo can also mandate abortion as a means of societal control. I work hard to teach my children that their bodies are their own sacred territory that no one else has a right to invade or disrespect.


It is not standard practice for carrying a baby to term, but is it standard practice before peforming an early term abortion procedure? I kind of think that if you want an abortion you kind of have to do whatever the doctor beleives is the best course in order to provide a safe and successful procedure. If a surgical abortion is the correct course, you kind of have no choice in the matter unless you want to comprimise your safety, although I am not sure a doctor would assist in that matter.
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#172 pcf

pcf

    Dutch Meyer

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 26,592 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:39 AM

But I envision a policy where I will try with all vigor to make the potential of pregnancy scarier than Scylla and Charybdis combined, but the kids will know where dad's "secret" stash of condoms are.



Good idea. I think I'll get some custom made condoms with my face on the package. Maybe a full body shot of me wearing my full tucked jersey.

I honestly think I could turn our birth rate into Japan's if the nation had more pcf linkage with sex.

#173 Duquesne Frog

Duquesne Frog

    Davey O'Brien

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 33,100 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:40 AM

Good idea. I think I'll get some custom made condoms with my face on the package. Maybe a full body shot of me wearing my full tucked jersey.


You nearly made me spit my beverage with that one ...
Worse? How can things get any worse?!?! Take a look around! We're standing at the threshold of hell!

The food you love, the time you deserve® ...

#174 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:41 AM

Good idea. I think I'll get some custom made condoms with my face on the package. Maybe a full body shot of me wearing my full tucked jersey.

I honestly think I could turn our birth rate into Japan's if the nation had more pcf linkage with sex.


Your best post ever.
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#175 FriskyFrog

FriskyFrog

    Bob Lilly

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 20,268 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Louisville, KY

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:42 AM

It is not standard practice for carrying a baby to term, but is it standard practice before peforming an early term abortion procedure?


I have no problem with a doctor saying "I won't perform an abortion without this first" if said doctor has a MEDICAL reason for doing so. I have infinite problems with politicians making such a declaration for the doctors. The medical community has their own procedures for determining standard medical practices and holding doctors to these ever-evolving standards.
The sun comes up, it's a new day dawning
It's time to sing Your song again
Whatever may pass, and whatever lies before me
Let me be singing when the evening comes
--Matt Redman, 10,000 Reasons

#176 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:44 AM

I have no problem with a doctor saying "I won't perform an abortion without this first" if said doctor has a MEDICAL reason for doing so. I have infinite problems with politicians making such a declaration for the doctors. The medical community has their own procedures for determining standard medical practices and holding doctors to these ever-evolving standards.


Does not the legislation only provide that the doctor document whatever standard medical practice that was followed?

Bill
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#177 Duquesne Frog

Duquesne Frog

    Davey O'Brien

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 33,100 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:45 AM

It is not standard practice for carrying a baby to term, but is it standard practice before peforming an early term abortion procedure? I kind of think that if you want an abortion you kind of have to do whatever the doctor beleives is the best course in order to provide a safe and successful procedure. If a surgical abortion is the correct course, you kind of have no choice in the matter unless you want to comprimise your safety, although I am not sure a doctor would assist in that matter.


I don't think I'm revealing too much to confess that I have not had an abortion. So I don't know whether it is SOP or not. If it is, I think you're right. The implication I've heard, however, is that legislators are forcing the ultrasound as an additional unnecessary step to try and convince women not to have abortions. If that implication is wrong and the "transvag," as I believe someone called it, is considered a necessary step to complete the procedure, then it's no more rape than any other invasive procedure. By consenting to the abortion, you'd be consenting to whatever medically necessary procedures are involved.
Worse? How can things get any worse?!?! Take a look around! We're standing at the threshold of hell!

The food you love, the time you deserve® ...

#178 Duquesne Frog

Duquesne Frog

    Davey O'Brien

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 33,100 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Pittsburgh, PA

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:51 AM

Transvag would be a fantastic name for a punk band ...
Worse? How can things get any worse?!?! Take a look around! We're standing at the threshold of hell!

The food you love, the time you deserve® ...

#179 George F. Will

George F. Will

    Ki Aldrich

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 24,866 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago, Illinois

Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:57 AM

Transvag would be a fantastic name for a punk band ...

Call me Rock God...
Low Taxes | Minimal Regulation | Stable Currency

#180 RSF

RSF

    Semi-Omnipotent Being

  • Member - Restricted
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 57,923 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:03 PM

Call me Rock God...



Posted Image
Words to live by......an ongoing concern......
 
Vulgarity is like art - everybody thinks they know what it is, yet nobody can agree on what it is.
 
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it...no matter how off-base it is.

 


KillerFrogs Sponsor


Click here for 30% off



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users